Magic General: Khans of Turn Three

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Re: Magic General: Khans of Turn Three

Postby IVhorseman » Sat Nov 08, 2014 3:33 am

Zupponn wrote:Then there's this:

Eidolon of Blossoms
Courser of Kruphix
Doomwake Giant
Forest
Swamp
Temple of Malady
Hero's Downfall

Here we can either start with Doomwake or Eidolon, whichever benefits you more, then go with Courser and then all the lands.  You draw 2-3 cards, give all your opponent's creatures -2/-2 or -3/-3, and then gain 3 life and Scry 1.


I'm pretty sure they enter simultaneousely and thus trigger both effects. So you get 3 cards and the -3/-3. There's a deck going around involving see the unwritten and those two constellation creatures that seems pretty interesting for this exact reason, since two doomwakes can get plopped onto the battlefield to grant a total of -4/-4.

I think if Pyxis costed 5 or 69 for the ability I'd be more willing to play it, but as is 7 mana is tough to grab, especially for something that just might whiff.
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Re: Magic General: Khans of Turn Three

Postby IVhorseman » Thu Dec 25, 2014 2:35 am

Testing out a new decklist:

24 Creatures:
4x Tymaret, the Murder King
4x Butcher of the Horde
4x Grim Haruspex
4x Jeering Instigator
2x Ruthless Ripper
2x Bloodstained Champion
4x Goblin Rabblemaster
13 Spells:
4x Harness by Force
2x Utter End
2x Sorin
1x Elspeth
2x Hordeling Outburst
2x Dictate of Erebos

Sideboard pretty much just includes another dictate, some crackling dooms to nail sagu maulers, and a bunch of stuff to shift it into a more aggressive beat-down deck when needed.

But like wow this thing hits super aggressively super early on, then closes out by either slamming down a dictate and forcing a sacrifice every time one of rabblemaster's tokens dies, or by stealing an opponent's creature to sacrifice to Butcher of the Horde or Tymaret as I swing in for the big finish.
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Re: Magic General: Khans of Turn Three

Postby Zupponn » Thu Dec 25, 2014 1:59 pm

You probably only want 3 Tymarets and more Bloodsoaked Champions and Hordeling Outbursts.
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Re: Magic General: Khans of Turn Three

Postby IVhorseman » Thu Dec 25, 2014 4:53 pm

That's what I'm thinking too, and the sideboard is certainly built to accomodate that playstyle, but it's also a cheap way for me to trigger dictate of Erebos. Honestly one of my priorities is just to send him to the graveyard ASAP so that I always have access to the sac outlet.

At this point about the only thing I'm trying to figure out is what 1/1s to fill the sideboard with for when I play against decks where stealing-and-sacing doesn't work as well. Mostly I'm just looking at more outbursts and champions, but I think Frenzied Goblin could find a place in there as well as even Soldier of the Pantheon. My manabase really only splashes white so i'm not 100% sold on the soldiers. Really it's more of a question of either throwing in more goblins to make rabblemaster a bit better (really love the jeering instigator for this reason), or just better cards that don't have goblin written on them.
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Re: Magic General: Khans of Turn Three

Postby Zupponn » Fri Dec 26, 2014 3:24 am

An Athreos or two could be really funny.
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Re: Magic General: Khans of Turn Three

Postby IVhorseman » Sat Dec 27, 2014 2:56 pm

It would, but I don't think I'd ever build up enough devotion to actually activate athreos. I probably wouldn't need to though lol.

Might be a good sideboard vs. black and white decks though, since I can steal their dude to bring athreos online.
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Re: Magic General: Khans of Turn Three

Postby Zupponn » Sat Dec 27, 2014 6:37 pm

I'm probably going to go to a TCGPlayer tournament in a week, so I thought that I'd share the two decks that I'm thinking about playing:

ABZAN AGGRO:

4x Anafenza, the Foremost
4x Fleecemane Lion
4x Rakshasa Deathdealer
4x Siege Rhino
3x Reaper of the Wilds
1x Wingmate Roc
4x Bile Blight
3x Abzan Charm
3x Hero's Downfall
1x Murderous Cut
4x Thoughtseize
1x Sorin, Solemn Visitor
4x Windswept Heath
4x Sandsteppe Citadel
3x Caves of Koilos
3x Llanowar Wastes
3x Temple of Malady
3x Temple of Silence
2x Plains
1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1x Forest


IZZET CONTROL:

4x Goblin Rabblemaster
4x Stormbreath Dragon
2x Ashcloud Phoenix
2x Keranos, God of Storms
4x Lightning Strike
4x Magma Jet
4x Stoke the Flames
3x Disdainful Stroke
2x Stubborn Denial
3x Anger of the Gods
3x Treasure Cruise
2x Chandra, Pyromaster
6x Mountain
4x Bloodstained Mire
4x Shivan Reef
4x Temple of Epiphany
2x Island
1x Polluted Delta
1x Wooded Foothills
1x Swiftwater Cliffs


And then there's this little gem that I'm working on:

BW MIDRANGE:

4x Ajani's Pridemate
4x Bloodsoaked Champion
4x Seeker of the Way
4x Soldier of the Pantheon
3x Athreos, God of Passage
3x Brimaz, King of Oreskos
3x Underworld Coinsmith
3x Wingmate Roc
2x Timely Hordemate
3x Suspension Field
1x Spear of Heliod
2x Ajani Steadfast
2x Sorin, Solemn Visitor
4x Caves of Kiolos
4x Plains
4x Radiant Fountain
4x Scoured Barrens
4x Temple of Silence
1x Swamp
1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
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Re: Magic General: Khans of Turn Three

Postby IVhorseman » Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:09 pm

Oh man, these all sound great. Here's my thoughts:

ABZAN AGGRO:

Why only one wingmate roc? I'd prooobably trade out the third reaper for a second roc, but both should at least be in the sideboard.

IZZET CONTROL:

Multiple Keranos, so I already love it. Rabblemaster + stoke the flames is a great combo, and you may even consider hordeling outburst or maybe even goblinslide to support it.

BW MIDRANGE:

Did you know that thoughtsieze combos super hard with seeker of the way? You get to lifelink back the damage you did to yourself and then some. Same sentiment goes towards ajani's pridemate and pharika's cure. Not sure what you'd ditch in favor of them, but my money's on the timely hordemate or perhaps even the extra brimaz and the spear. Of course, tokens + spear is a great way to go too so you'd really have to commit to one or the other.
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Re: Magic General: Khans of Turn Three

Postby Zupponn » Sun Jan 04, 2015 3:12 pm

IVhorseman wrote:ABZAN AGGRO:

Why only one wingmate roc? I'd prooobably trade out the third reaper for a second roc, but both should at least be in the sideboard.

I ran this list yesterday at a TCGPlayer 5K tournament and Reaper was awesome.  Wingmate Roc was disappointing much of the day, but it did win me a game, so I'm a fan of the one-of for now.
IVhorseman wrote:IZZET CONTROL:

Multiple Keranos, so I already love it. Rabblemaster + stoke the flames is a great combo, and you may even consider hordeling outburst or maybe even goblinslide to support it.

I like Goblinslide, but the card really isn't that great.  Hordeling Outburst might have a place here, but the Anger of the Gods in the main make me wary of it.
IVhorseman wrote:BW MIDRANGE:

Did you know that thoughtsieze combos super hard with seeker of the way? You get to lifelink back the damage you did to yourself and then some. Same sentiment goes towards ajani's pridemate and pharika's cure. Not sure what you'd ditch in favor of them, but my money's on the timely hordemate or perhaps even the extra brimaz and the spear. Of course, tokens + spear is a great way to go too so you'd really have to commit to one or the other.

Thoughtseize could be an inclusion.  I really haven't worked on the ass too much.

This card with Ajani's Pridemate looks insane though:
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Re: Magic General: Khans of Turn Three

Postby IVhorseman » Mon Jan 05, 2015 8:49 pm

a creature? holy shit, that triggers for each creature, doesn't it.

Don't get me wrong, goblinslide is a terrible godawful card. If there's any deck it'd work in that might be the one, but even then it's probably a shit play.

Although, did you see LSV's triple goblinslide draft deck? turns out that that plus jeskai charm and crippling chill are pretty much unstoppable in limited as long as you have the like... ten other cards to support it.
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Re: Magic General: Khans of Turn Three

Postby Zupponn » Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:50 pm

I went 5-0-2 at the last PTQ in Madison, WI earlier today.  Lost in the Top 8 in the quarterfinals.

Here was my list:

4x Tormented Hero
4x Gnarled Scarhide
4x Bloodsoaked Champion
4x Mardu Shadowspear
4x Pain Seer
4x Spiteful Returned
4x Mogis's Marauder
3x Brutal Hordechief
4x Hero's Downfall
4x Bile Blight
21x Swamp

Sideboard:
3x Thoughtseize
3x Master of the Feast
3x Dark Betrayal
2x Gray Merchant of Asphodel
2x Pharika's Cure
1x Sign in Blood
1x Empty the Pits
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