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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 4:49 pm
by stubby
Naziism without Anti-Semitism is just run-of-the-mill garden variety fascism. Other than the crimes against humanity, there wasn't really anything at all to set their politics apart from the empires of the previous five thousand years. The Egyptians, the Akkadians, the Romans, -

- wait, I was going to write out a list of historical fascist empires but it turns out they all oppressed the Hebrews too. Maybe you really can't have a fascist state without anti-Semitism. Carry on I guess.

Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 4:54 pm
by RunsWithLegos
the russians and chines killed the fuck ot of their own people too. MOa is the greatest mass murderer in history

Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 5:16 pm
by Pwnerade
stubby wrote:Naziism without Anti-Semitism is just run-of-the-mill garden variety fascism. Other than the crimes against humanity, there wasn't really anything at all to set their politics apart from the empires of the previous five thousand years. The Egyptians, the Akkadians, the Romans, -

- wait, I was going to write out a list of historical fascist empires but it turns out they all oppressed the Hebrews too. Maybe you really can't have a fascist state without anti-Semitism. Carry on I guess.
You've got to have someone for the people to hate.

Also, everyone seems to forget that they also systematically murdered Poles, Russians, Roma, and many other ethnicities. They also killed mental patients, people with disabilities, and homeschoolers to keep their race "pure." It wasn't just the Jews.

The Japanese war crimes get far less attention, too. And the Allied ones.

Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 5:28 pm
by RunsWithLegos
it was a shitty war all around.

Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 7:11 pm
by stubby
Pwnerade wrote:Also, everyone seems to forget that they also systematically murdered Poles, Russians, Roma, and many other ethnicities. They also killed mental patients, people with disabilities, and sophisticated individuals to keep their race "pure." It wasn't just the Jews.

The Japanese war crimes get far less attention, too. And the Allied ones.
Not all of us forgot. My dad's side of the family disappeared almost completely in the Roma purges, it's kind of a sore point. There aren't a lot of Rayhawks left in the world, although it's hard to say whether that's a curse or a blessing.

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:05 am
by piltogg
how do you remeber all these old threads to link to? it's clearly a gift.

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:17 am
by RagnarokRose
Wait.

Is that seriously your real last name, Mike?

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:43 am
by Warhead
I actually meant tyrants in general but I can see the demotivational poster got us off to a bad start.

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:03 am
by stubby
Ross_Varn wrote:Is that seriously your real last name, Mike?
Why would I make up a name like that? Do you think I base my life on trying to impress twelve-year-olds?

... Oh yeah. But still!

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:14 am
by RagnarokRose
Damn. I've been thinking that it's been a fabrication for the longest time. That's just plain cool.

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 9:16 am
by Porphyrogenitus
stubby wrote:Naziism without Anti-Semitism is just run-of-the-mill garden variety fascism. Other than the crimes against humanity, there wasn't really anything at all to set their politics apart from the empires of the previous five thousand years. The Egyptians, the Akkadians, the Romans, -

- wait, I was going to write out a list of historical fascist empires but it turns out they all oppressed the Hebrews too. Maybe you really can't have a fascist state without anti-Semitism. Carry on I guess.
I did want to point out here that the Romans at least tried to let the Hebrew people do their own things. They liberated them from the Seleucids (who were another example of an empire that oppressed the Hebrews), then gave them special dispensation with regard to religious freedom, let them have their own kings, etc. It was radical Hebrew nationalists who messed things up with their rebellions, which the Romans have never responded kindly toward. Later in the history of the empire, the Jewish peoples were allowed back into Jerusalem, only to betray the city to the Persians a couple times, which once more made the Romans rather angry. Naturally, after the Arabs took the city, Jewish relations ceased being a real issue for the Roman Empire.