there are other ways.
Agree, yet this is not the way and I do not think this dad represents a larger community of parents because I have yet to see a large group of people do what he did.
You're talking to people of that community right now, and completely disregarding all statements.
... obviously something went wrong for him to 'be forced' to take things this far. You can't just see this video as the start of all his parenting troubles 'cos he had to be pretty freaked out and frustrated already to do what he did.
Or the girl could just be a total bitch. Being raised by loving parents doesn't always lead to a loving child, which is something that I tried to point out a few posts ago and you disregarded.
Don't care. You're saying you've been raised so well, then to comment you don't care about the law, which made me laugh
Never said I didn't care about the law, I said people don't have to care about the law. There's a big difference. Generalization and twisting of other people words, bringing them out of context isn't doing much for your credibility either.
You're repeating yourself. She does not have this choice. How many options does a 16 year old who puts herself on the street have you think? Oh yeah, that's right, there's one.
I'm repeating myself because you keep making the same statements without acknowledging answers. Also, I know plenty of people who left home while still in highschool and are doing fine. You could work and make something of your life at that age, too.
They do. The point of it was meant to prove was that in a similar situation where someone is destroying someone else's stuff, which is already nasty, making humiliating remarks about it only makes the act more nasty and does not help the situation at all.
No, you're taking them out of context. You're saying "what if someone did this for no reason" instead of "what if someone did this for a reason." Two completely different things. If someone came in my room and ruined my computer for no reason, I would have a totally different reaction than if someone came in my room and ruined my computer after I did something to them. Also, it wasn't her stuff, it was her father's stuff.
Doesn't matter. We do not know, and he's setting a bad example, he who is trying to seem so high and mighty and full of discipline and telling what a good kid he was. It may be just a small thing, but it makes him come off as a serious hypocrite to me. Someone who gets this worked out over a couple of dishes, should get equally worked up about thrash lying around in the garden.
That's probably why he would clean it up. Automatically assuming he's a hypocrite just because you don't like the other things that you see.
And you never stop to think that what I said could be true, and what the dad said has to be taken with a grain of salt. Everyone who knows the basics of human nature knows people always hide information and are rarely completely honest.
Yes, that's exactly why I said I didn't know. I would say I didn't know, whereas you are automatically viewing this man as someone who WOULD do those things. Everything should be taken with a grain of salt.
I just did by placing the quotes underneath each other. I thought it was clear enough. Maybe I should write you a guidebook on how to read my posts.
"But if you want to use that as an example, what would you do if someone had gotten you a house, food for 10 years, a computer, TV, whatever else this girl had, then asked you to sweep the floors? Would you complain about it to all your friends?"
That's a rhetorical question. I know your answer would be "no," which would mean you wouldn't agree with her actions. In no way did I say you agreed with her. I was using your disagreement to try to help you see where I was coming from on that point, but obviously it didn't work.
A million dollars... or your dignity... A million dollars... or your social life... A million dollars... or your chance at live in general... A million dollars... or an event that will brandish you for life... It's the internet, pal, her name can be found easily, it was in the youtube comments, and everyone spreading the message on Facebook knows who she is. The dad's name also got out, making it even easier.
Hey, some people don't care about dignity. She posted her own family's problems up on the internet, which makes me think she doesn't really mind people knowing about all the skeletons in her closet. If she does, then she ruined her dignity herself anyway.
I wonder, what's the reason behind your actions then, if not making the world a better place, if only slightly? Making it a worse place? That would explain a lot. This kind of stuff does not happen all the time. Find me enough other videos with over 100 million views where similar stuff happens to claim it happens all the time and I will agree to you. Good luck.
You forgot the rest of my quote: "... and we never said other methods wouldn't work, too."
Again, taking my words out of context. I said that it wouldn't make the world a better place if we all changed because I think it's fine the way things are now. I think all the parenting methods we've talked about are fine, so why change them all to one?
Says the guy who was crying to the entire forum about how misunderstood he was a few pages back
Another personal attack for no reason instead of a pleasant conversation.
And you are the guys feeling good about yourselves? And I should feel like you 'got me' because of this? This, and the thousand other occasions you've mentioned the fact you have absolutely no life at all make me the one who's amused, I can guarantee you
Using cuss words, doesn't mean I'm angry. Shouldn't be too much to handle for a big tough guy like you who had a violent dad. It just means I think you deserve it. The only ones complaining about 'hurr you're insulting me!' are you guys so it shouldn't be too difficult to work out who cares about what the other guy's saying most either. Of course, getting people angry over the internet is like your ultimate dream come true 'cos I can't imagine you to be capable of much else, so you can imagine me to be angry, if you like, if that makes you feel accomplished at life. Creating anger with your daughter, or creating anger on the internet, both must be so very productive indeed. The fact horseman puts this forward as your main motivation for keeping this going (even when I said I was no longer interested, which I was at that point) is does a lot for your
I'm not the one trying to belittle people. I could care less, but you asked me what I was trying to do if not make the world a better place. So what are you trying to do with this conversation? Are you trying to have a discussion with people, or are you trying to show all of us how you're right?
Horseman also didn't put it forth as my motivation, but as something that happened along the way. I said earlier I enjoyed debate and conversation. You seem to just enjoy telling people how much better you are.
Exactly. That's why I didn't say he was threatening her with a gun. I used the word 'intimidate'. If you think the father's display of destroying the laptop with a frickin gun while he could have perfectly just broke it in two had any other purpose than to intimidate and humiliate his daughter, I'd like to hear it, but I won't, because there isn't. The 'man' has serious issues if this drives him far enough to get angry enough to spend expensive bullets for the simple task of destroying a laptop. Makes me wonder how easily he would be tempted to use his gun in other situations he can't handle otherwise.
Humiliate, yes. Intimidate, no. The gun is because he literally said he would put a bullet through her laptop if she did it again. You wouldn't want him to teach her to go back on her word, would you?
Wait a moment, you said I was the one being biased? Well how's that for bias? Just so you know, I have held and fired guns (quite good at it even I daresay) and I don't mind them at all (prefer bows though), which doesn't mean I can't disapprove of the use some people make of them. When a gun is used to compensate for something else, because the owner is too insecure otherwise, I think he's pathetic. I am sure this dad couldn't stand up to a real man in an argument if he didn't have his gun; he would likely shit his pants. I'm biased towards Southerners now, because I called one man who had clearly done wrong out on his stupid hat and accent, with full knowledge that there are a lot of terrible people like him down there, without saying all people down south are like that? Yes, check 'thoughts on racism' if you haven't already.
Yes, that's pretty much the definition of being racist. By saying his hat and accent are one of the reasons why he's like that, you're saying those are factors that add to his "wrong" actions. You said:
"He's also insane. Southern accent says it all, as well as the stupid hat he's wearing."
"He's also insane. Ebonics accent says it all, as well as the stupid jeans he's wearing."
To address that last post, a drop from a window or seeing something being crushed because it's run over is not as intimidating at all as using the gun. Guns were crafted for violence (yes they were. Am I saying all people who buy guns want to do violence with them? No I'm not) and thus a clear image of violence, while a drop is just gravity doing its work and a bulldozer is just a tool doing its work of crushing things, which do not commonly include people. So yes, the gun is a highly inappropriate device to make a part of your relationship with anyone unless you're trying to intimidate them. It also takes more aggression to fire a gun than to drop something or run something over, and anger only breeds more anger.
Which is why I said she was probably raised around guns and had fired them herself. Because of the culture down there, seeing her father's gun would probably not be frightening or out of the ordinary. To many people, a gun is just a gun, not something for violence. I don't look at my dad's guns and say "wow, those are violent things." They're an everyday item.
By showing his daughter he's destroying her laptop, especially in such a way, the only thing he's accomplishing is making her more angry (you would be angry too if you saw someone do that to your stuff), so in fact, he's accomplishing nothing positive at all. He is a failed parent.
Again, taking away the context of punishment. I said earlier "If someone came in my room and ruined my computer for no reason, I would have a totally different reaction than if someone came in my room and ruined my computer after I did something to them. Also, it wasn't her stuff, it was her father's stuff."
And you're assuming things you didn't see again. We don't know if he failed by doing this. She could have very well learned a lesson.
Simply destroying something doesn't teach anyone anything.
Or it teaches them that the item was not a sure thing. It was a gift for some behavior, or out of respect, and with the loss of respect comes the loss of such a gift.
And one more point to show you how ineffective it was: he threatened his daughter he'd put a bullet through her laptop, she didn't care. Right now I'm thinking he maybe said that in a rage without giving it much thought, and then decided he'd do it because well, when you say something, you gotta do it or no one will take you seriously, while he perhaps wouldn't have done it if he had 'the choice'. That is a possibility, but we do not and cannot know. So don't tell me I'm interpreting everything about this dad as negatively as I can, because you know what? Right now I feel kinda bad for him too, in a way. I'm pretty sure he didn't want all this to happen and assumed 'buying her stuff' would endear his daughter to him (it's not enough), but I can't justify his actions or come to another conclusion than the fact he is a failure.
And there's no way that the girl could have just been a bitch? Some kids are just not respectful no matter what is done for them. Plenty of people have a lot given to them, but take advantage and don't give anything back. This is another thing that we don't know about.
The items might not have been to gain respect, but out of respect.
As for 'not paying attention to people's nicknames', why do you have to take that so literally? I was denying I was biased towards oneeye and take everything he says as a personal attack. If anything him complaining about that makes it seem an awful lot like he has more bias and problems towards me than the other way around. I also meant I do not carry grudges: I've been rude to Silverdream and simply dropped it in other threads and posts, and the same thing goes for oneeye.
You used IVHorseman's quote, then called ME an asshole for saying it. I would say that's petty biased. I've been trying to have a decent conversation with you without personal attacks, and only mentioned your personality as a person on this forum AFTER you had mentioned mine. After that, I've strayed away from it, including this post.