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Post by IVhorseman » Tue May 19, 2009 1:57 am

Gunney wrote: ...[Shermans] took down the Flak 88s...
Wait, when did this ever happen? Flak 88s were more or less the ultimate anti-tank gun of the second world war, and ate shermans for breakfast. Sure, they were designed to take out planes, but what's stopping them from pointing the gun sideways and popping shots at tanks? It was retardedly accurate, had incredible penetration, and ruined any tank-driver's day.

Infantry and artillery were basically the only ways to stop one. Artillery for obvious reasons, and infantry are generally too small to get hit directly by an 88mm shell (but if they got hit holy shit were they deared).

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Post by Natalya » Tue May 19, 2009 6:01 pm

Even allied bombers avoided the dreaded FlaK .88 WTF r u talking about Shermans didn't engage those.
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Post by Gunney » Tue May 19, 2009 6:57 pm

Shermans did indeed engage Pak 88s. They were not effective, yes. But there have been repeated documented engagements where Shermans, under the command of Patton (That awesome Cowboy General) were so deep into enemy lines that they caught the enemy napping. By the time the Pak's fought back, the Shermans sorrounded them. Yes, it was usually 5 shermans to a Pak, but the fact is, the Pak's got their rear handed to them whenever Patton bull rushed them.

They were not encouraged to engage Pak 88's due to the American Armored Doctrine, but they none the less engaged them.

Don't ever tell me again such historical inaccuracies. Its people like you that belittle the truth in WW2. Yea the Pak's chewed up Shermans, so did Tigers, Panzerfausts, and every other Anti-Tank known. But the Sherman still went up against them and came out the victor, with about 580% casualty rate. Which by the way is mainly contributed to the German's Defensive fighting. Same casualty rates were reported on the German side whenever they assaulted the Allies.

THATS WHAT THE **** IM TALKING ABOUT.

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Oh and to the Allied Bombers dreading the FlaK .88, the gun was only effective in day light when the bombers were flying low. The highest maximum range of the gun was well short of the maximum flying range of most any Allied Bomber. So as long as the bombers were flying high the FlaK .88 wasn't that effective as an Anti Air gun.

I will however concede that the FlaK .88 was none the less an effective Anti-Air weapon. That was proven quite well.
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Post by IVhorseman » Tue May 19, 2009 7:01 pm

Pak 88 is insanely different than a Flak 88.

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Post by OneEye589 » Tue May 19, 2009 7:33 pm

And actually this has nothing to do what was discussed.

We weren't talking about the difference in abilities between the tanks at all, we were talking about how they all look. Sure they may have had different armaments, but they didn't look different at all.

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Post by Gunney » Tue May 19, 2009 7:52 pm

I still get a self esteem booster. I beat a Tank Snob. *sobs* Its the first actual accomplishment of my life! Now I can go to my attic, get on a blog, and write for hours on end without seeing daylight or social interaction about how great I am and how everyone else is "n00bs"
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Post by OneEye589 » Tue May 19, 2009 7:59 pm

Gunney wrote:I still get a self esteem booster. I beat a Tank Snob. *sobs* Its the first actual accomplishment of my life! Now I can go to my attic, get on a blog, and write for hours on end without seeing daylight or social interaction about how great I am and how everyone else is "n00bs"
Technically you didn't. As IVHorseman said, Paks and Flaks are very different, and many different things were used to take out Flaks, but not many were very effective. Just because Shermans DID take out Flaks doesn't mean they were good at it, which is exactly what IVHorseman said.

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Post by Moose » Tue May 19, 2009 9:35 pm

Well I think Wikipedia won this one...

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Post by Gunney » Tue May 19, 2009 10:19 pm

Welp there goes my life.

And yes, Wikipedia did win. I could've took the time and googled it or looked through a few books, but I was too lazy at the moment.

Anyways, im about out of useful things to say, so...yea, back to original thread. Sorry to be a nuisance. Almost had him there.

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Post by pesgores » Wed May 20, 2009 4:56 am

Flak 88s are useful in Call of Duty.
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Post by OneEye589 » Wed May 20, 2009 6:40 am

pesgores wrote:Flak 88s are useful in Call of Duty.
True 'dat.

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Post by Tzan » Wed May 20, 2009 2:28 pm

Moose wrote:Well I think Wikipedia won this one...

Winner:

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Post by Gunney » Mon May 25, 2009 10:06 am

What the!?!? I got a new title? Wow..Umm....This is awkward..
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Post by IVhorseman » Mon May 25, 2009 2:27 pm

It's been there for a rival. I am furious.

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