Ben-Jammin's Art

[Ben-Jammin]

Relevant:

worth mentioning that i did not draw this O_o

sorry for the whiteagle'ing.

Also there's NO way the Emperor of Man is paying for brass in their stubguns. They would surely be firing steel case with corrosive primer.

The Emperor's Finest:



Also note that non-corrosive primers are considered Archeotech.

[Keldoclock]

Well, mercuric berdan primer is something i would completely expect from the Hiveworld sweatshops of Mankind, but lead styphnate, barium nitrate, antimony trisulfide, powdered aluminum and tetrazene is not that chemically complicated.

I once went to a gunsmithing forum and was like "why don't we use CL-20 for our high powered rifles" and they laughed me out the door.

Also: Wow, 75 grain? Plinking ammo indeed.

[Ben-Jammin]

Well, mercuric berdan primer is something i would completely expect from the Hiveworld sweatshops of Mankind, but lead styphnate, barium nitrate, antimony trisulfide, powdered aluminum and tetrazene is not that chemically complicated.

I once went to a gunsmithing forum and was like "why don't we use CL-20 for our high powered rifles" and they laughed me out the door.

Also: Wow, 75 grain? Plinking ammo indeed.

Considering the enemies facing the Imperium of Man, I'd say 77-grain hollow points or armor piercing rounds would be more desirable. At least, whenever a .75 caliber mini-rocket machine gun isn't available.

Also, what forum was it that you visited?

[Vami IV]

I'm stealing this

[Keldoclock]

Considering the enemies facing the Imperium of Man, I'd say 77-grain hollow points or armor piercing rounds would be more desirable. At least, whenever a .75 caliber mini-rocket machine gun isn't available.

Also, what forum was it that you visited?

Well i mean... my lightest hunting ammo is 275 grain, with the heaviest being 330 grain. What do you kill with 75 grain bullets, other than paper cutouts?

I have a little armor piercing ammo, 163 grain 30-06.

I didn't use this name there, so I won't post the forum to avoid linking together my accounts. It was one of the big 10.

[Ben-Jammin]

Considering the enemies facing the Imperium of Man, I'd say 77-grain hollow points or armor piercing rounds would be more desirable. At least, whenever a .75 caliber mini-rocket machine gun isn't available.

Also, what forum was it that you visited?

Well i mean... my lightest hunting ammo is 275 grain, with the heaviest being 330 grain. What do you kill with 75 grain bullets, other than paper cutouts?

I have a little armor piercing ammo, 163 grain 30-06.

I didn't use this name there, so I won't post the forum to avoid linking together my accounts. It was one of the big 10.

75 and 77 grain was the highest (as far as I can remember) for intermediate calibers like 5.56 NATO. Obviously larger calibers like .308 or .30-06 would be better for putting down most enemies, especially at longer ranges. Most modern militiaries utilize intermediate-caliber calibers in their rifles however, such as 5.56 or 5.45x39; it is much easier to carry more rounds per individual, they're cheaper to produce, etc. Plus the wounds produced by both 5.56 and 5.45 are still very, very lethal.

Basically, in the grim darkness of the far future, would you rather have an FAL or an M16? Both have their pros and cons.

[Keldoclock]

Do you even see much stubguns outside of Necromunda games?

In the grim darkness of the future, I'd probably rock a sig mcx, or continue my current habits of high-powered bolt actions. But I'm sure I'd be able to get my hands on better weapons by then.

I'm surprised the militaries of the world are still using dinky little bullets. I don't own any centerfire less than 30 calibre.

I guess I never consider the weight of bullets outside of like, advocating for caseless ammo. I never take more than two or three rounds per animal when I go hunting. That's the difference between the militaries of the world and me I guess. They want to be ready for any sudden attack on them, and to be able to push on an unknown foe. Where I know exactly what I want and its just a question of finding it, killing it and getting it back to the truck. That and I probably spend more money on myself than the militaries of the world would on an individual soldier.

I really don't trust the armor piercing capabilities nor effectiveness at ranges past 1km of 5.56 ammo.

[Arkbrik]

Suppressive fire. Would be way too expensive to use big bullets for that.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/ ... 80666.html

[Keldoclock]

Like I say dude, I have never fought in a war but I have shot plenty of meat. I suppose the skillset is only like 50% transferable or something.

I hope evolutions in computer fired weapons will permit the extinction of supressing fire. So wasteful.

In my mind warfare is like hunting: stand still where I can see you and you die. Move fast where I can see you and you maybe die.

[ikensall]

Bit late but anyway:

From what I have gathered in my meagre experience as a cadet force corporal, in an engagement it's all about firing so many bullets at the enemy that they wouldn't dare fire back. Maybe if they're enough convinced that God will save them to not worry about cover (because it doesn't sound too hard to not get shot if you really don't want to be), you might hit some of them. I mean when we do dummy engagements you pretty much know where the "enemy" is going to come from, and still half the time you can't see them if they just lie down, so it's more about weight of fire than actually being accurate. As for killing what you hit, that's almost seen as a wasted opportunity - if you just get someone injured then you've tied down even more enemy in trying to get them out. So hardcore ammo is a waste of effort for your standard squaddie.

But then again if you're Keldoclock out in the Siberian wilderness surviving on nothing but pine leaves and raw bear meat, with nothing for company but your trusty rifle, living on the edge between cold and hunger in the wild; I think you're allowed to use whatever rounds you like.

Sorry Ben-Jammin, pretty drawings and all that.

[Ben-Jammin]

Do you even see much stubguns outside of Necromunda games?

In the grim darkness of the future, I'd probably rock a sig mcx, or continue my current habits of high-powered bolt actions. But I'm sure I'd be able to get my hands on better weapons by then.

I'm surprised the militaries of the world are still using dinky little bullets. I don't own any centerfire less than 30 calibre.

I guess I never consider the weight of bullets outside of like, advocating for caseless ammo. I never take more than two or three rounds per animal when I go hunting. That's the difference between the militaries of the world and me I guess. They want to be ready for any sudden attack on them, and to be able to push on an unknown foe. Where I know exactly what I want and its just a question of finding it, killing it and getting it back to the truck. That and I probably spend more money on myself than the militaries of the world would on an individual soldier.

I really don't trust the armor piercing capabilities nor effectiveness at ranges past 1km of 5.56 ammo.

I'm more of a tactical shooter (there's no way to say that without sounding like a mall ninja is there?), so I have more experience with 5.56; at least, as much as a civilian can have when shooting at cardboard, steel plates, and old TVs. I also wouldn't trust 5.56 out to a kilometer even out of a 20" barrel; it can reach that far depending on the load, but it becomes effectively useless. 30 caliber rounds are much more effective for long range potency.

Also, I think that some Imperial Guard regiments still make use of Stub guns and Auto guns, one of the foremost being the Death Korps of Krieg, if I remember right.

Suppressive fire. Would be way too expensive to use big bullets for that.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/ ... 80666.html

Suppressive fire is only useful as long as you can keep firing, regardless of what ammo you're using. Granted, given the options, I'd think an M2HB would still be more effective in this role than even a dedicated SAW or LMG like the M249 or M60 variants. Despite this, in my humble opinion, a good long-range semi-auto can be just as good a deterrent as suppressive fire.

As for killing what you hit, that's almost seen as a wasted opportunity - if you just get someone injured then you've tied down even more enemy in trying to get them out.

This is the same logic (or at least part of it) that was behind the transition to intermediate rounds in the first place. Wounding an enemy can be more effective than killing them outright, as you can tie down the enemy by forcing them to dedicate more time and resources to getting their injured out of the combat environment. The fragmentation and internal injuries caused by small, higher-velocity rounds like the 5.56 can be quite lethal, and the Russian 5.45 round earned the name "Poison Bullet", because it was rumored that if the round struck a joint it could rip off an entire limb. I'm not sure if it is THAT potent, but still.

Sorry Ben-Jammin, pretty drawings and all that.

It's cool; guns are awesome.

[Keldoclock]

You can strike a elbow with a .45 and it'll amputate the limb too, if it hits just right. I think intermediate cartridges have more to do with gun engineering, ammo engineering and especially recoil then they do with other stuff. Recall that the assault rifle's father is the submachinegun, not the battle rifle.

You can be a tactical shooter without sounding like a mall ninja. Sometimes I go to the range and its full of cops from the next town over. They tell me, while bragging about how hard they are, about Simunition training. So you could do that. Or you could shoot 3 gun, IPSA, USPA and that stuff.

[Ben-Jammin]

You can strike a elbow with a .45 and it'll amputate the limb too, if it hits just right. I think intermediate cartridges have more to do with gun engineering, ammo engineering and especially recoil then they do with other stuff. Recall that the assault rifle's father is the submachinegun, not the battle rifle.

You can be a tactical shooter without sounding like a mall ninja. Sometimes I go to the range and its full of cops from the next town over. They tell me, while bragging about how hard they are, about Simunition training. So you could do that. Or you could shoot 3 gun, IPSA, USPA and that stuff.

I've always wanted to try 3-gun; I've done drills similar to what they go through, but I've never been in any competitions. Also, I haven't had the fortune/misfortune of being on the range when the cops are out; I prefer going when no one else is around anyway.

Also, here's hoping it won't take another five months for me to post my next artwork.

[Ben-Jammin]

Katrina does possess more formal attire as well:



By the way, the dress is actually based off of Wyldstyle's Western outfit from the Lego Movie.

[BFenix]

Very nice! However, I would elongate her right arm, seems shorter than the one holding the eagle. Regarding the eagle (which is pretty great too) I'd sharpen its feathers at the tip, instead of rounding them.