Happy Independence Day!

[Red_SPAMbot]

But independence day isn't for another 9 days

But the movie Independence Day opened today.

Nature will, uh...uh, uh, uh, uh...find a way.

[Castlebravo]

I don't know what the European rags are writing, but it is a bit more complex than that.

NI only voted 55/45 to stay, hardly the landslide seen in Scotland, which on the topic of them, knew about the possibility of leaving in the EU in this referendum, when they did their last referendum for Independence. London declaring independence is a good one, but it's a change.org petition, so can go straight into the garbage where it belongs.

As for the leave supporters believing that immigration is hurting them, it is because immigration is undeniably hurting them. Sure for the country as a whole immigration is a net positive, but for the people in impoverished areas with low skill, low pay jobs, immigration is having a noticeable negative impact on their lives. I am not even tinfoiling here, we even used to have a fund to give money to areas where immigration was occurring to, but then that pig fucker Cameron set his old bumming pal George Osborne loose at the treasury and that fund went up in smoke.

Anyway, treating the UK like a failed state because it has left Europe is reactionary scaremongering of the highest order.

Of course it's always more complicated than that. As a whole, I agree with you that this referendum was supposed to be some political maneuver to calm down the euroskeptic Tories that got out of hand. I remember reading a few month ago in the Canard enchainé (the only quality newspaper left in France) that the referendum was going to be a mere formality and that we ALL knew that the brits would stay, right ?

As for the negative impact of immigration on the people in impoverished area, well the issue is definitely not settled as firmly as you say, especially since the places where people are the most worried by immigration (and also where the Leave won by the largest margin) are actually where there is the least immigrants (and also where the economy was the most dependent on the EU).

The voters were well aware of the negative consequences of a Brexit, after all, everyone in a 2000 km radius had warned them. I don't think that leaving was the wisest choice, especially since a Remain victory would have allowed Cameron to negotiate an even more ridiculous status in the EU that would have left the UK with full command over their immigration policy (but with a pound in good shape).

Anyhow, if you really want to know how is the media coverage here, well it's not really focused on the consequences for the UK and the vote itself, it's quite eurocentric in fact. There are two main current right now :

• The one who says that it's time to reform the EU, because a)the UK left for a reason and b)without them, there is nothing left standing in front of a deeper integration policy (they're quite optimistic, but who knows ?)
• The one who write top 5 about how Erasmus to the UK is screwed, how we're gonna need a visa to enter the UK and the like (quality newspaper, of course)

[dilanski]

Anyhow, if you really want to know how is the media coverage here, well it's not really focused on the consequences for the UK and the vote itself, it's quite eurocentric in fact. There are two main current right now :

• The one who says that it's time to reform the EU, because a)the UK left for a reason

I honestly hope that credence is paid to that first point. While I did vote remain, it could of gone either way for me, and there are certainly other voters in a similar position. When the EU is an organisation with a long and storied history of being the least democratic body around, I can only wonder what deeper integration would mean. Given the announcement of an EU army (originally to be kept secret until after this referendum, no less), I have to scratch my head as to where the EU is going.

[motorhead fan]

an EU army? they definitly need white sci fi body armor!

[ikensall]

I don't think the initial effects should be taken as an indicator of what's to come, although nobody really seems to have considered what needs to happen next. The "oh, guess we're fucked 'cause something changed" mentality (that seems to have filled in for this absence of direction) feels like the closest we're going to get to a self-reinforced, self-reciprocating bleak situation.

Leaving the EU is a step back for globalisation; the western model world of everyone working together and not killing anyone (until it's time to liberate a country, then you might need to kill people to make sure everyone know's that they've been welcomed into the modern world). If we're being idealistic about it, the goal of the European Union is to promote economic and political integration, thus making things more efficient, thus allowing more progress to happen. However the EU is pushing for this integration really strongly, and their apparent rush is making them sloppy (I could go on about how a lot of countries keep their best politicians at home and send the bench-warmers to the EU parliament and what that implies, but these issues are more of a symptom of the problem). And so we have a situation where the EU is going in one direction and the UK isn't ready to follow them. The UK isn't really ready to meld itself to the rest of Europe, the Balkans and beyond with Turkey in the way the EU wants or as quickly, due to an economic incompatibility which causes economic migration (and an unfortunate apprehension thereof), amongst other differences which aren't a problem until you try to throw them together and people get a bit eggy.

Hence by putting the brakes on, we should be able to make a better go of it when everyone concerned is ready, rather than rushing it and making the rift bigger. I'd think that if not in the next 100 years if not the next 200 we'll be back in another -slightly more conscientiously managed- version of the European Union. Until then the idea will probably be to try and keep as many of the perks of integration without the problems, how well that's going to go remains to be seen, but I think it's best viewed as an opportunity.

As regarding the rest of the EU, I think how many more countries want to GTFO depends upon how constructively they fiddle the EU based upon the result.

...EU army sounds like it has Brikwar potential though.

[Tzan]

Fuxit
Fukxit

[ikensall]

My dad thought "brexit" was a biscuit brand.

[Tzan]

Brexit, the British biscuit that evacuates your body as if it were Dunkirk.

[stubby]

ALLAHU ACKBAR
DONALD TRUMP

it's a trap

[bann154]

ALLAHU ACKBAR
DONALD TRUMP

it's a trap

Actually its a wrap...

[TastySkippy123]

That is so bad...

[Duerer]

So, since the referendum the amount of hate crimes against Muslims and Poles rose up, considerably. Fan-fucking-tastic!

[Overwatch_Elite]

woohoo we won now geet out of my country fucking canadians

[dilanski]

"Operation Yewtree investigates Leave campaign over plan to f*ck a generation of kids"

Spoiler

Show

For those that might not get it, yewtree is the police operation investigating the 450-odd children Jimmy Saville fucked

[Duerer]

Now I remember, how a UK-located Polish prince has challenged Farage to a duel like over a year ago. Yep, you've heard it guize. We certainly don't fuck around.